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The modern web is changing fast. Front-end frameworks evolve quickly, standards are emerging and old ones are fading out of favor. There are a lot of things to learn, but knowing the right thing is more critical than learning them all. Modern Web Podcast is an interview-style show where we learn about modern web development from industry experts. We’re committed to making it easy to digest lots of useful information!
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Wednesday Apr 13, 2022
S09E08 Modern Web Podcast- ”If You Can JavaScript, You Can Backend” with Swizec Teller
Wednesday Apr 13, 2022
Wednesday Apr 13, 2022
In this episode of the Modern Web Podcast, Software Engineer and Author Swizec Teller talks about how JavaScript developers have the tools, knowledge, and ability to write backend code whether they realize it or not. Swizec argues that, in a landscape in which serverless, distributed systems are becoming more common, the traditional line that separates frontend from backend development is steadily dissolving. Rather, an industry may emerge where developers are distinguished by their functional areas of expertise, and not whether they work on the interface or backend. They also talk about the distinction between monoliths, microservices, and serverless, with a focus on the purpose and function of the different architectures.
Guest: Swizec Teller, Software Engineer and Author of Senior Engineer Mindset, Serverless Handbook, & React + D3v4.
Host: Rob Ocel, Software Architect at This Dot Labs (@robocell)
Sponsored by HARMAN & This Dot Labs.

Thursday Mar 31, 2022
S09E07 Modern Web Podcast- State of Vue.js with Evan You, Creator of Vue.js
Thursday Mar 31, 2022
Thursday Mar 31, 2022
In this episode of the Modern Web Podcast, Evan You, Creator of Vue.js provides updates about the current state of and future road maps for the popular Vue framework. 2021 was an eventful year for Vue, following the release of Vue3 in September of 2020. They discuss new features in Vue3 as well as the community feedback the team received and how they responded, and the development of Vite, including the challenges that the team faced as they integrated the build tool with the core library. They also talk about the plans for Vue2 moving forward, and what to expect for the future of Vue3, including Vue3.3!
Guest: Evan You, Creator of Vue.js (@yuyuxi)
Host: Simone Cuomo, Software Architect at This Dot Labs (@Zelig880)
Sponsored by HARMAN & This Dot Labs.

Tuesday Mar 08, 2022
S09E06 Modern Web Podcast- Managing a Developer Team with Jem Young from Netflix
Tuesday Mar 08, 2022
Tuesday Mar 08, 2022
In this episode of the Modern Web Podcast, Jem Young, Engineering Manager at Netflix, shares his perspective on engineering team leadership. He talks about his experience going from an individual contributor to leading an engineering team, including some of the roadblocks and challenges new managers often encounter. Jem also describes some of the perspectives on team leadership he's developed by working with and watching other leaders at Netflix. Finally, they talk about the changes in the career trajectories of individual contributors, and how ICs can grow in their careers whether they choose to take the management path or not.
Guest:
Jem Young (@jemyoung), Engineering Manager at Netflix
Host:
Jesse Tomchak (@jtomchak), Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by HARMAN & This Dot Labs.

Friday Feb 11, 2022
S09E05 Modern Web Podcast - The State of Angular with Mark Thompson
Friday Feb 11, 2022
Friday Feb 11, 2022
In this episode, Rob Ocel discusses the present state and future goals of the Angular ecosystem with Mark Thompson, Developer Relations Engineer at Google, and Angular Core Team member. They talk about Angular’s most recent accomplishments, like the advancements afforded by Angular v12, and how the Angular team responds to RFCs and other forms of community feedback. Mark also explains how the community should interpret roadmaps, and the spectrum of stages at which an in-development project might be, and how developers and non-developers can contribute to the ecosystem. Rob and Mark also talk about the relationship between third-party solutions and the Angular team’s attitude toward potentially rolling these solutions into the core framework.
Guest:
Mark Thompson (@marktechson) - Developer Relations Engineer, Google
Host:
Rob Ocel (@robocell) - Architect, This Dot Labs
This episode is sponsored by HARMAN & This Dot Labs.

Friday Jan 07, 2022
Friday Jan 07, 2022
In this episode, Rob sits down with Naoki Ogishi, Director of Product Management at HARMAN International to discuss the present and future of Automotive App Development. They discuss the challenges of developing software in automobiles, how Android Automotive OS is making cross-vehicle app development feasible, how the HARMAN Ignite Store developer portal and template libraries make it easier to build and distribute your automotive apps, and where the future of in-vehicle development might take us.
Guest:
Naoki Ogishi - Director of Product Management, HARMAN International
Host:
Rob Ocel (@robocell) - Architect, This Dot Labs
This episode is sponsored by HARMAN & This Dot Labs.

Friday Dec 10, 2021
Friday Dec 10, 2021
In this episode, Rob speaks with Mike Nikles and Geoffrey Huntley of Gitpod about doing software development in configurable environments hosted in the cloud. They discuss the challenges that teams face supporting bespoke development environment across myriad devices, how tools like Gitpod solve for these challenges, how these types of cloud environments can be built and extended with plug-ins, and what the future of cloud-based development (and cloud-based remote computing) might hold!
Guests:
Mike Nikles (@mikenikles) - Developer Advocate, Gitpod
Geoffrey Huntley (@GeoffreyHuntley) - Developer Advocate, Gitpod
Host:
Rob Ocel (@robocell) - Architect, This Dot Labs
This episode is sponsored by HARMAN & This Dot Labs.

Tuesday Nov 23, 2021
Tuesday Nov 23, 2021
In this episode of Modern Web, Dustin Goodman and Jae Anne Bach Hardie sit down with Paige Niedringhaus and Mark Erikson to talk about modernizing react applications! They discuss Paige's new course on Newline and some of the stories and experiences that inspired it and hear about Mark & Paige's stories of implementing these practices in their recent projects.
Guests:
Hosts:
Dustin Goodman (@dustinsgoodman) - Engineering Manager, This Dot Labs
Jae Anne Bach Hardie (@dulcedejae) - Architect, This Dot Labs
This episode is sponsored by HARMAN & This Dot Labs.

Friday Nov 12, 2021
S09E01 Modern Web Podcast - Partytown with Adam Bradley
Friday Nov 12, 2021
Friday Nov 12, 2021
In this episode, Rob Ocel (@robocell) sits down with Adam Bradley (@adamdbradley), Director of Technology at builder.io, co-creator of Ionic, and creator of Stencil! They talk about the web performance challenges related to loading and using third party scripts (such as those for Google Analytics), and they discuss Partytown, a new, lightweight library created by Adam and his team to move these scripts off the blocking path and into web workers. They discuss how Partytown accomplishes this feat, what performance benefits this type of approach offers, and why this new library has the whole development community buzzing with excitement!
Guest:
Adam Bradley (@adamdbradley) - Director of Technology, Builder.io & QwikDev, Co-creator of Ionic, & Creator of Stencil
Host:
Rob Ocel (@robocell) - Architect, This Dot Labs
This episode is sponsored by This Dot Labs.

Friday Oct 29, 2021
Friday Oct 29, 2021
In this episode, Rob Ocel sits down with Brendan Falk, co-founder and CEO at Fig, a terminal extension that provides CLI integration and autocomplete support. They discuss the state of the terminal today, how Fig enhances the terminal, how to build tools for both power users and inexperienced users alike, the vision for integrating the command-line with user interface, and more!
Guest:
Brendan Falk (@BrendanFalk) - Co-Founder & CEO, Fig
Host:
Rob Ocel (@robocell) - Architect, This Dot Labs
This episode is sponsored by This Dot Labs.

Friday Oct 15, 2021
Friday Oct 15, 2021
- What does the next few years of blockchain development look like and why you should start looking at layer 2 blockchains
- The future of Eth 2 - proof of stake vs proof of work
- Why you should watch out for the Solana blockchain
- What is Gitpod and why should you care?
- Lowering the barrier to entry to new developers exploring blockchain development
- Learning about The Graph and Edge and Node
Guest:
Nader Dabit (@dabit3) - Developer Relations, Edge and Node
Hosts:
Tracy Lee (@ladyleet (she/her) - CEO, This Dot Labs
Nacho Vazquez (@nacho_vazquez14) - Software Engineer, This Dot Labs
This episode is sponsored by This Dot Labs.