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The modern web is changing fast. Front-end frameworks evolve quickly, standards are emerging and old ones are fading out of favor. There are a lot of things to learn, but knowing the right thing is more critical than learning them all. Modern Web Podcast is an interview-style show where we learn about modern web development from industry experts. We’re committed to making it easy to digest lots of useful information!
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Wednesday Jul 05, 2023
Wednesday Jul 05, 2023
In this episode of Modern Web, Tracy Lee and Adam Barrett talk with Kevin Åberg Kultalahti of Svelte Society to discuss the long anticipated release of Svelte 4. Listen in as they explore the exciting technical enhancements that Svelte 4 brings to the table, including its reduced package size, enhanced web component support, and optimized performance.
Svelte 4 introduces a revolutionary approach to web development by compiling components at build time rather than relying on a runtime framework. This means smaller bundle sizes, faster loading times, and improved performance for your applications. We delve into the technical details of how Svelte achieves this impressive feat, providing practical examples and insights into the inner workings of the framework.
Compatibility is a key concern for any web development framework, and Svelte 4 addresses this head-on. With improved web component support, Svelte 4 enables seamless integration with existing codebases and allows developers to leverage the power of Svelte in combination with other frameworks or libraries. Our discussion explores the compatibility aspects of Svelte 4, highlighting its flexibility and ease of adoption for both new and existing projects.
Whether you're a seasoned developer looking to stay at the forefront of web development trends or a newcomer eager to explore the latest innovations, this episode offers valuable insights and practical examples that showcase how Svelte 4 can revolutionize your web development workflow. Don't miss out on this opportunity to unlock the true potential of Svelte 4 and take your projects to new heights. Tune in now and discover the power of this cutting-edge framework!
Guest:
Kevin Åberg Kultalahti, Svelte Society @kevmodrome
Hosts:
Tracy Lee, CEO of This Dot Labs @ladyleet
Adam L. Barrett, Software Engineer at This Dot Labs @adamlbarrett
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Thursday Jun 22, 2023
Thursday Jun 22, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Ben Lesh (RxJS Core Team Lead) and Ryan Carniato (Principal Engineer at Netlify, Creator of SolidJS) to discuss Signals. They talk about what Signal are, why they're suddenly so popular, how Signals differ from Observables, and whether Signals (or Observables) should be integrated into the web platform. They also cover how engineers should think about the "Signals hype", and how Signals are implemented differently from framework to framework.
Guests
Ryan Carniato - Principal Engineer @Netlify, Creator of @solid_js, and the CEO of Signals - @RyanCarniato
Ben Lesh - RxJS Core Team Lead, and the CEO of Observables? - @BenLesh
Host
Rob Ocel - Architect and Engineering Lead @ThisDotLabs - @robocell

Wednesday Jun 07, 2023
S10E15 Modern Web Podcast- Automated Testing with Playwright ft. Debbie O’Brien
Wednesday Jun 07, 2023
Wednesday Jun 07, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Debbie O'Brien (Senior Program Manager at Microsift and Playwright Developer Advocate) to discuss automated testing with Playwright! They talk about the evolution of the testing pyramid, how to write Playwright with the Playwright recorder, and some of the upcoming features of Playwright to deal with Shadow DOM, frames, selector issues, and so much more!
Guest
Debbie O'Brien: Senior Program Manager at Microsoft and Playwright Web Developer Advocate. @debs_obrien
Host
Rob Ocel: Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs. @robocell

Wednesday May 24, 2023
S10E14 Modern Web Podcast- What is an Engineering Manager Anyway? with Rick Conrades
Wednesday May 24, 2023
Wednesday May 24, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Rick Conrades, Engineering Manager at This Dot Labs, to discuss software development and engineering management! They discuss how to identify and mitigate risks, how to make difficult technology tradeoffs, and how to "manage up"! Finally, they share tips for all software engineers about relating to engineering managers, and the surprising challenges that engineering managers face with their teams.
Guest
Rick Conrades, Engineering Manager at This Dot Labs
Host
Rob Ocel, Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday May 10, 2023
S10E13 Modern Web Podcast- The Day-to-Day of Developer Advocacy with Sam Julien
Wednesday May 10, 2023
Wednesday May 10, 2023
In this episode, Jesse Tomchak is joined by Sam Julien, Director of Developer Advocacy, for Auth0 at Okta. What is the day to day of someone in developer advocacy outside of what we see from blog posts and conference talks? Sam is passionate about helping developers become the best versions of themselves through Tiny Experiments book, and his current newsletter, Developer Microskills. We dive into the idea of self taught developers, developer productive that is actually effective, sustainable progress, and so much more.
Guest
Sam Julien - Director of Developer Advocacy, Auth0 at Okta
Host
Jesse Tomchak - Architect and Engineering Lead at ThisDotLabs - @robocell
Developer Microskills newsletter (https://developermicroskills.com)
Sam's website (http://www.samjulien.com/)
How to Finish What You Start article (https://www.samjulien.com/how-to-finish-what-you-start)
Guide to Tiny Experiments book (https://learn.samjulien.com/guide-to-tiny-experiments)
Getting Started in Developer Relations book (http://www.gettingstartedindevrel.com)
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Apr 26, 2023
S10E12 Modern Web Podcast- State Machines for your Mind with Jenny Truong
Wednesday Apr 26, 2023
Wednesday Apr 26, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Jenny Truong, Head of Operations and Developer Relations at Stately, to talk about state machines, XState, and mental health. They discuss the challenges and opportunities of starting a company from an open-source project, the benefits of user research and how Stately has used it to develop their new stately studio, and they extensively discuss Jenny's recent talk at AgentConf on looking at moods, burnout, and stress through the lens of state machines. Finally, they talk about the fun of being a doughnut connoisseur.
Guest
Jenny Truong- Head of Operations and Developer Relations at Stately
Host
Rob Ocel - Architect and Engineering Lead @ThisDotLabs - @robocell
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Apr 12, 2023
Wednesday Apr 12, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Dominik Dorfmeister (Frontend Tech Lead at Adverity and Maintainer of TanStack Query), to talk about open-source software, TanStack Query, and more! They discuss the rapid growth of the TanStack, how Dominik first became involved as a core team maintainer and the challenges he's faced, the future of the TanStack and data-management as a driving force in front-end framework development, using TanStack in other frameworks, and the joys of skiing.
Guest
Dominik Dorfmeister, Frontend Lead at Adverty and Maintainer for TanStack Query
Host
Rob Ocel, Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Mar 29, 2023
S10E10 Modern Web Podcast- Building the TanStack with Tanner Linsley
Wednesday Mar 29, 2023
Wednesday Mar 29, 2023
In this episode, Jesse Tomchak is joined by Tanner Linsley of smash hits like TanStack Table, Query, and Router, for a discussion about Tanner's latest project: TanStack Start. Tanner discusses the problems he’s trying to solve, how building on existing ideas in the community has accelerated development pace, and how he went about solving it in a very "TanStack" fashion.
Guest
Tanner Linsley, Co-Founder at nozzle.io and Creator of TanStack
Host
Jesse Tomchack, Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Mar 15, 2023
S10E09 Modern Web Podcast- Being Yourself, For Fun And Profit ft. Trecia Kat
Wednesday Mar 15, 2023
Wednesday Mar 15, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel, is joined by Trecia Kat, to talk about breaking into tech, building a social media following, and finding community. They discuss how to find a niche through being yourself on social media, choosing between DevRel and engineering career paths, CSS, and even their hopes and fears for the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Guest
Trecia Kat, Self-Taught Developer and DevRel Engineer
Host
Rob Ocel, Engineering Lead & Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
On this episode of The Modern Web, we catch up with Scott Spence, Developer Relations Engineer at Storyblok, and SvelteSociety London meetup organizer. We dive into the ins and outs of Svelte, ramping up from React, what’s it like to a second career developer, and the importance of paying it forward to developers who are new to the community.
Guest
Scott Spence, Developer Relations Engineer at Storyblok
Host
Jesse Tomchak, Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs