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The modern web is changing fast. Front-end frameworks evolve quickly, standards are emerging and old ones are fading out of favor. There are a lot of things to learn, but knowing the right thing is more critical than learning them all. Modern Web Podcast is an interview-style show where we learn about modern web development from industry experts. We’re committed to making it easy to digest lots of useful information!
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3 days ago
3 days ago
In this episode, Jesse Tomchak is joined by Tanner Linsley of smash hits like TanStack Table, Query, and Router, for a discussion about Tanner's latest project: TanStack Start. Tanner discusses the problems he’s trying to solve, how building on existing ideas in the community has accelerated development pace, and how he went about solving it in a very "TanStack" fashion.
Guest
Tanner Linsley, Co-Founder at nozzle.io and Creator of TanStack
Host
Jesse Tomchack, Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Mar 15, 2023
S10E09 Modern Web Podcast- Being Yourself, For Fun And Profit ft. Trecia Kat
Wednesday Mar 15, 2023
Wednesday Mar 15, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel, is joined by Trecia Kat, to talk about breaking into tech, building a social media following, and finding community. They discuss how to find a niche through being yourself on social media, choosing between DevRel and engineering career paths, CSS, and even their hopes and fears for the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Guest
Trecia Kat, Self-Taught Developer and DevRel Engineer
Host
Rob Ocel, Engineering Lead & Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
On this episode of The Modern Web, we catch up with Scott Spence, Developer Relations Engineer at Storyblok, and SvelteSociety London meetup organizer. We dive into the ins and outs of Svelte, ramping up from React, what’s it like to a second career developer, and the importance of paying it forward to developers who are new to the community.
Guest
Scott Spence, Developer Relations Engineer at Storyblok
Host
Jesse Tomchak, Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Feb 15, 2023
S10E07 Modern Web Podcast- Native Apps with Embedded Web Technologies ft. Alyssa Nicoll
Wednesday Feb 15, 2023
Wednesday Feb 15, 2023
This week on Modern Web Alyssa Nicoll from Progress takes the web out of the browser and into native apps. Bringing you the cutting edge of native applications with embedded web technologies, Angular offers the best of both worlds. We take some minor detours into learning backend technology stacks as a long life JavaScript developer, and the awesome communities and friends we’ve made along the way. Join us for a spectacular journey and a couple tangents.
Guest
Alyssa Nicoll, Sr. Developer Advocate at Progress
Host
Jesse Tomchak, Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Feb 08, 2023
S10E06 Modern Web Podcast- Deep Learning about React Native and AI with Gant Laborde
Wednesday Feb 08, 2023
Wednesday Feb 08, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Gant Laborde (CIO @infinite_red, Author of “Learning TensorFlow.js: Powerful Machine Learning in JavaScript”, Chain React organizer), to talk about React Native, conference organizing, and the promise of AI in development. They discuss the flexibility and power of hybrid native apps, the upcoming new architecture of React Native, the trials and tribulations of organizing conferences, the state of AI tooling and education, and the opportunities and challenges for developers in a future working alongside AI.
Guest
Gant Laborde - CIO at Infinite Red, Author of “Learning TensorFlow.js: Powerful Machine Learning in JavaScript”, Chain React organizer, Google GDE and Microsoft MVP
Host
Rob Ocel - Architect and Engineering Lead ThisDotLabs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Feb 01, 2023
S10E05 Modern Web Podcast- Making Your Websites ”Qwik” with Shai Reznik
Wednesday Feb 01, 2023
Wednesday Feb 01, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel, is joined by Shai Reznik, Founder and CEO at HiRez.io and Community DevRel at Qwik, to talk about Qwik. They discuss the history of front-end development and frameworks, what has led to this recent surge in framework development, what architectural principles Qwik values most, how Qwik and QwikCity differ, how to build Qwik apps, and so much more!
Guest
Shai Reznik- Founder and CEO at HiRez.io and Community DevRel at Qwik
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
S10E04 Modern Web Podcast- Component Testing with Cypress ft. Jordan Powell
Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Jordan Powell, Developer Experience Engineer Cypress, to talk about Component Testing in Cypress. They discuss the explosive recent growth of Cypress, the exciting new features just launched in recent versions, and the changing shape of the testing “trophy”. Then, they dive deeply into component testing in Cypress: motivations, best practices, tips, and so much more!
Guest
Jordan Powell- Developer Experience Engineer at Cypress
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Jan 18, 2023
S10E03 Modern Web Podcast- Building a Design System with Paige Kelley
Wednesday Jan 18, 2023
Wednesday Jan 18, 2023
In this episode Jesse Tomchak is joined by Paige Kelley to talk about the ins ad outs of building a design system including the gritty details of coordinating an actual micro frontend. They also talk about the return to conferences, what changes they've noticed in the conference experience, what it's like to speak at a tech event, and more.
Guest
Paige Kelley- Senior Software Engineer at Pax8
Host
Jesse Tomchak- Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Jan 11, 2023
S10E02- Authorization on the Web with Cerbos ft. Alex Olivier
Wednesday Jan 11, 2023
Wednesday Jan 11, 2023
In this podcast, Rob Ocel and Adam L. Barrett talk with Alex Olivier, Product Lead at Cerbos, to discuss Authorization. They discuss how authorization (AuthZ) differs from authentication (AuthN), how Cerbos works and how it makes authorization simpler, what differentiates business logic from authorization logic, how to test authorization logic, and more!
Hosts
Adam L. Barrett - Senior Developer at @thisdotlabs - @adamlbarrett
Rob Ocel - Architect at @thisdotlabs - @robocell
Guest
Alex Olivier - Product Lead at @cerbosdev - @alexolivier
For more information on Cerbos, check out cerbos.dev.

Wednesday Jan 04, 2023
S10E01- Developing an API is Like Building Legos with Ray Gesualdo
Wednesday Jan 04, 2023
Wednesday Jan 04, 2023
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Ray Gesualdo, live at Connect Tech 2022, to discuss API development and how the process is a lot like building with the internationally famous toy, Legos. They share some fond memories of growing up and now raising kids around Legos, talk about the traits and characteristics of the best component and service APIs, and show how some of the great victories and lasting lessons of Lego apply to building more resilient, modular, reusable, and consistent software.
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Guest
Ray Gesualdo- Staff Software Architect at SalesLoft
Sponsored by This Dot Labs