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The modern web is changing fast. Front-end frameworks evolve quickly, standards are emerging and old ones are fading out of favor. There are a lot of things to learn, but knowing the right thing is more critical than learning them all. Modern Web Podcast is an interview-style show where we learn about modern web development from industry experts. We’re committed to making it easy to digest lots of useful information!
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Wednesday Dec 28, 2022
S09E24- React: Past, Present, & Future with Cory House
Wednesday Dec 28, 2022
Wednesday Dec 28, 2022
In this episode, Rob Ocel and Jesse Tomchak are joined by Cory House at Connect Tech 2022 to discuss the past, present, and future of React. They talk about: lessons learned from 7 years of React (featuring discussions of coupling, testing, and hooks), how to pick a React meta-framework, and what pillars they think successful developers should prioritize.
Hosts
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Team Lead at This Dot Labs
Jesse Tomchak- Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Guest
Cory House- Founder of ReactJS Consulting
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Dec 21, 2022
S09E23-Talking Vue Composition Functions with Jess Sachs
Wednesday Dec 21, 2022
Wednesday Dec 21, 2022
In this episode Tracy Lee and Jesse Tomchak are joined by Jessica Sachs to talk about the world of Vue Components and all of the exciting new tools and communities being built to improve and simplify composition. Composables can be as simple as a logic gate or as complex as any renderless component, mixin, directive, or plugin, and in this conversation, our speakers dive into VueUse, which provides a collection of essential composition functions and renderless components.
Hosts
Jesse Tomchak- Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Tracy Lee -Co-Founder and CEO of This Dot Labs
Guest
Jess Sachs- Software Engineer and Open Source Developer
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Dec 14, 2022
S09E22- When the World Ends, We Need Documentation with Jeremy Meiss
Wednesday Dec 14, 2022
Wednesday Dec 14, 2022
In this episode, Rob Ocel and Jesse Tomchak are joined by Jeremy Meiss live at Connect Tech 2022. They talk about the table stakes of CI/CD and having a high performing team, and the vast array of options available to run DevOps and be successful. They also dive into the topic of mentorship and documentation, and how it benefits teams and the industry at large.
Hosts
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Jesse Tomchak- Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Guest
Jeremy Meiss- Director of DevRel at CircleCI
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
In this episode Tracy Lee and Dustin Goodman are joined by Roy Derks- Developer Experience at StepZen ⸱ Tech Entrepreneur ⸱ GraphQL Speaker, Trainer, and Advocate- to discuss microservice design and how GraphQL can help alleviate problems derived from poorly designed microservices. They discuss different strategies teams leverage to best scale their GraphQL APIs whether they use RPC, federated schemas, or REST wrappers. They explore how GraphQL is programming language agnostic and how it’s helping to bridge gaps between different language teams. They discuss how GraphQL can positively impact consumer application usage and how it can possibly help save energy consumption and help with the world energy crisis.
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Hosts
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Tuesday Nov 22, 2022
S09E20- Building Functional Web Apps with Enhance ft. Simon MacDonald
Tuesday Nov 22, 2022
Tuesday Nov 22, 2022
In this episode Rob Ocel is joined by Simon MacDonald- Head of Developer Experience at Begin- to talk about Functional Web Apps and how Enhance can help to build them. They talk about the value of building with web-standards, HTML, and web components; progressive enhancement; how Enhance works and how it differs from other libraries such as Remix or Next; and how to use Enhance with dynamic web apps and/or legacy systems. They also discuss who are the developers whose experience Simon is the head of, and a discussion of Simon's love of books and recommendations for what you should be reading!
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect, This Dot Labs
Guest
Simon MacDonald- Head of Developer Experience, Begin
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Nov 09, 2022
S09E19- The Future of DevRel and Databases with Tejas Kumar
Wednesday Nov 09, 2022
Wednesday Nov 09, 2022
In this episode Rob Ocel is joined by Tejas Kumar - international Keynote Speaker, Angel Investor, Advisor, and also the Director of Developer Relations at Xata - to talk about how DevRel and Databases have changed over the last few years. They talk about how the state of the conference scene, and the challenges of managing a developer relations team through the global pandemic. They also talk about the pain points that developers face when selecting databases and implementing applications on top of those databases. They discuss SQL vs No-SQL, the differences between databases and CMS, schemas and low-code alternatives, branching and data migration.
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect, This Dot Labs
Guest
Tejas Kumar- Director of Developer Relations
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Oct 26, 2022
Wednesday Oct 26, 2022
In this episode Rob Ocel is joined by Jessie Auguste- Backend Software Engineer at CybSafe, co-host of the Glowing In Tech podcast, and leadership team member for Coding Black Females. They talk about coding as a 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) career, the opportunities and pitfalls for junior developers transitioning from other industries, and telling the stories of underrepresented groups in tech. They also cover the cyber security challenges we face as an industry and how to meet them, learning (and teaching) Git and other difficult technical topics, dealing with ADHD in the workplace, and more!
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect, This Dot Labs
Guest
Jessie Auguste- Backend Software Engineer at CybSafe, Co-host of the Glowing in Tech Podcast, Leadership team at Coding Black Females.
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Oct 12, 2022
Wednesday Oct 12, 2022
Host
Tracy Lee- CEO and Co-Founder, This Dot Labs
Dustin Goodman- Engineering Manager, This Dot Labs
Guests
Chris Burns- Co-Host of the FSJam Podcast
Anthony Campolo- Co-Host of the FSJam Podcast
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Wednesday Aug 24, 2022
S09E16 Modern Web Podcast- Thinking About TypeScript for New Users with Josh Goldberg
Wednesday Aug 24, 2022
Wednesday Aug 24, 2022
Join Josh Goldberg, author of the O'Reilly book Learning TypeScript, as he gives listeners a holistic introduction to using TypeScript in modern web development. With Rob Ocel, Josh discusses how he would encourage new developers to learn TypeScript, and strategies team leads can employ to introduce their developers to the language. They also discuss how TypeScript got to where it has, how it relates to and differs from other popular typed languages, and where it (and JavaScript) might be heading in the future!
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect, This Dot Labs
Guest
Josh Goldberg- Author, Learning TypeScript
Sponsored by This Dot Labs
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Wednesday Aug 10, 2022
S09E15 Modern Web Podcast- Accessibility in Testing with Adrián Bolonio
Wednesday Aug 10, 2022
Wednesday Aug 10, 2022
"You don't know who's using your product." In this episode of the Modern Web Podcast, Adrián Bolonio, Accessibility Engineer at Github, sits down with Rob Ocel to talk about the importance of web accessibility in testing. They start by talking about the diverse benefits that teams can enjoy by prioritizing accessibility in their products, and then continue their discussion by reviewing some tools and concepts developers can employ to enable accessibility in their products.
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect, This Dot Labs
Guest
Adrián Bolonio- Accessibility Software Engineer, Github
Sponsored by This Dot Labs